Wednesday, October 28, 2015

Helpful Quotes on the Meaning of logos: John 1.1


Truth in Translation by Jason BeDuhn, p 114f:
“Though the concept defined by the term logos is found in Greek, Indian, Egyptian, and Persian philosophical and theological systems…It thus underlies the basic Christian doctrine of the preexistence of Jesus…The Stoics…define the logos as an active rational and spiritual principle that permeated all reality. They called the logos providence [cp. Pro 8], nature, god and the soul of the universe…Philo taught that the logos was the intermediary between God and the cosmos, being both the agent of creation and the agent through which the human mind can apprehend and comprehend God.”


Article on Logos from The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 7, 15th ed., p 449.

“In the first chapter of The Gospel According to John, Jesus Christ is identified as ‘the Word’ (Greek logos) incarnated, or made flesh…The identification of Jesus with the logos…was further developed in the early church but more on the basis of Greek philosophical ideas than on Old Testament motifs. This development was dictated by attempts made by early Christian theologians and apologists to express the Christian faith in terms that would be intelligible to the Hellenistic world and to impress their hearers with the view that Christianity was superior to, or heir to, all that was best in pagan philosophy. Thus, in their apologies and their polemical works, the early Christian Fathers stated that Christ as the preexistent logos (1) reveals the Father to mankind and is the subject of the Old Testament manifestations of God; (2) is the divine reason in which the whole human race shares, so that the 6th-century-BC philosopher and others who lived with reason were Christians before Christ; and (3) is the divine will and word by which the worlds were framed.”


 “Jesus: The Christ and Christology” in The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 22, 15th ed., p 370-71.

“Earlier forms of the [Apostle’s] creed seem to have read: ‘Born of the Holy Spirit and of the Virgin Mary’. The primary affirmation of [preexistence] is that the Son of God, the Word, had become man or, as John’s Gospel puts it, ‘flesh’ (John 1.14). Preexistence and Incarnation presuppose each other in the Christian view of Christ. Hence the New Testament assumed his preexistence when it talked about his becoming man; and when it spoke of him as preexistent, it was describing in the flesh.”

 “It obviously follows from this admission that Jesus was in the fullest sense a man, as much so as any other human being, that He had not merely a human body, but a human soul, intellect, will. This was not always recognized by the Church. Many of the earlier Greek fathers, Irenaeus, for instance, and Athanasius obviously thought of Him simply as the Logos of God residing in a human body. Later councils condemned this position in the person of Apollinarius[1]

It is equally unorthodox to suppose that the human soul of Jesus pre-existed. There is simply no basis for such a doctrine unless (with Origen) we say that all human souls exist before their birth into the world: but that is not the usually accepted Catholic position. St. Paul, indeed, believed in the preexistence of the heavenly Messiah or Son of God without distinguishing between the human and the Divine or semi-divine Christ but from the time when the Logos Christology was accepted by the Church it has been held that what pre-existed was the Divine Logos, not the human Jesus…

Such at bottom is the permanent meaning of that doctrine of the Logos and the Holy Trinity in which this conviction clothed itself under the influence of Greek philosophical conceptions and terminology. The doctrine of the Logos grew up at a time when the Neoplatonic idea of the transcendence of God, His aloofness from the world, His inaccessibility to human thought or effort, had been pushed to a point which made it seem impossible that He should express Himself in created things or created minds without some sort of intermediary. The Reason or Thought or Word of God, the thought concept, be it remembered, rather than the spoken word was conceived of as such an intermediary. God gave birth to the Logos and the Logos gave birth to the world. In the books of Proverbs and Wisdom the Logos, or rather the Wisdom of God (which is practically the same conception), is personified in a semi-poetic manner as the Assessor who stood at God's right hand in the creation of the universe. In the Alexandrian Jew Philo the idea becomes more metaphysical.”


God and Man, “Christ as the Logos and the Son of God”, Hastings Rashdall, Oxford, 1930.

“There remained, indeed, the problem of the relation between this ‘Word’ which was God and yet incarnate in the human Jesus, and the Father-God, whose only begotten Son He was. Was this Word personal or impersonal? If personal, how can we escape Polytheism? And if the Logos be identified with the One God, what becomes of the distinction between Father and Logos?”


[1] In his earlier days. In the period when he wrote the De Incarnations (before the Nicene Council) and almost as distinctly in the Orations against the Avrans, there is no trace of any distinct recognition of a human soul in Jesus; the Logos seems simply to take the place of the human soul. In his later days (when the question began to be discussed) he did formally recognize the existence of a human soul, but it may be doubted how far this admission really affected his general way of thinking.

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